For more than 50 years the dream of a free democratic South Africa has been Dr. Mamphela Ramphele’s focus and one that covers her every waking moment in action. She’s worked tirelessly for systemic, societal change in order to help her country of South Africa break free from the barriers of bondage into freedom. She understands that beyond physical freedom there is a psychological, self-imposed limitation that must be included in freeing oneself from oppression. She says, “A fully conscious human being is a citizen who not only asserts their rights and exercises their responsibilities, but is also seized with the historic mission to leave the world a better place.” This deep dialogue explores both the successes and failures of the twenty-three year history of the South African Democracy as well as the 200 plus years of the United States democracy. How are they the same and how are they different and what can we learn from them?