Creating the New Dream and the Future of the Earth with Elisabet Sahtouris, Ph.D.

We are facing three simultaneous crises in the world today: a crisis in energy, economy, and climate. These add up to the greatest challenge in all human history. Biologist Sahtouris is optimistic about the future and points to biology saying, “Life gets creative in a time of crisis.” She explains how the survival of bacteria, which has been on the planet for over four billion years, has given us a model of how we may evolve into a mature species. In the best case scenarios in evolution there is a move towards cooperation and co-creation. She points out, “It is literally cheaper to feed your enemies than to kill them. And, in the best case scenario in evolution, those cooperative ventures become the next larger unity.” Join this fascinating conversation that gives us sound science and hope for our species and life on the planet. (hosted by Justine Willis Toms)

Elisabet Sahtouris, Ph.D.  is an internationally acclaimed evolution biologist, futurist and author. Her books include Earth Dance: Living Systems in Evolution ( iUniverse 2000);  Co-author with Brian Swimme & Sidney Liebes, A Walk Through Time: From Stardust to Us (John Wiley & Sons 1998)and co-author with the late Willis Harman, Biology Revisioned (North Atlantic Books 1998)To learn more about the work of Elisabet Sahtouris go to

Topics Explored in this Dialogue:

  • What was the first crisis in evolution of life of earth
  • Why is debt money not sustainable
  • What is the cyclical maturation process in nature
  • Why is diversity an imperative in nature and in human culture
  • What is the difference between the new consciousness science and materialist science
  • Why it is important to know the basic assumptions as represented by different scientists from a variety of cultures
  • How we can reverse the desertification of the planet

Interview Date: 11/14/2011 Hosted by: Justine Willis Toms Program Number: 3417

9 Responses to “Creating the New Dream and the Future of the Earth with Elisabet Sahtouris, Ph.D.”

  1. Garry January 5, 2012 at 8:09 PM #

    Amazing interview /the Doctor – as the hour evolved I became more amazed, or should I say, something deep inside kept saying yes…In the last minutes she effortlessly articulated answers to questions I’d been seeking, or could see…Like her analogy of evolving consciousness and the piano keys and Octaves: as a player and proponent of music therapy since the mid 1970s..oh yeah. Wow. Then the sweet simple description of “Awakening To Zero Point”. Justine even caught that one. Same time, I think.
    What a great show. I just had to say Thank You.

    Garry Witte
    Early listener (fm’80s; KLCC fm, Eugene-&even now)
    & broadcast colleague 40 yrs. (do we ever retire?)

  2. Tim Belew January 6, 2012 at 10:00 AM #

    This interview provides powerful contributions of faith and direction at a very fragile time.

  3. royal prentice January 7, 2012 at 6:08 AM #

    What a gift to awaken early Saturday morning when the world is quiet to sit and watch the sun rise and hear this radical paradigm shift (for me) being described so adroitly. Thank you so much for an insight that brings me peace, joy and hope.

  4. Debra East January 8, 2012 at 9:32 AM #

    This so matches what I have been learning to understand personally and locally, the hopefulness in understanding patterns and aiding discernment is so helpful.

  5. Mike Sauber January 8, 2012 at 6:56 PM #

    I enjoyed the interview, but as a lifelong westerner who has some first hand knowledge about this fragile arid landscape we call New Mexico, I have to respectfully disagree with Elizabet about using cattle to heal deserts that were created by cattle. According to retired professor emeritus NMSU Dr, William Dick-peddie, Justine was right in asking about the soil crusts. These soil crusts would not exist if large numbers of hooved ungulates had ever roamed these lands in large numbers. Bringing in exotic species (cattle)in to churn the land up is the last thing this ecosystem needs. Mimicking buffaloe is not appropriate here.
    Even if it would work here, ranchers don’t maintain the few fences they are require to now, and it’s not economical as is. More fencing or herding is less economical yet.

  6. SCott January 8, 2012 at 9:13 PM #

    Ma’am, I doent mean to be rude, but what you have said is completly wrong. Genesis1:1 says ” In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.” That means that God Almighty is the supreme Creator of all things and that he is in control. That also means that we doent have any “bacterial” ancestors, becuase on the sixth day, God created man. He also created the apes, bugs,and dinosaurs on the same day. Now, im sure youve heard this story many times, but you sure need it. It is true.

  7. SCott January 8, 2012 at 9:36 PM #

    Ma’am, you are also wrong at the part where you say that bacteria has survived for 4000000000 years. Bacteria was probebly created by God on the 4th day of the creation week, along with all the trees and other plants. And the earth isnt 45000000000 years old any way. I t could only be 6000 or so years acording to Bibical and non Biblical historic records. Im sorry if I sound harsh, or rude, or stupid, but I know what Im talking about. I might only be twelve years old, and i know that you are a very old and smart person, but i am still able to ssstand up for what i believe in. I hope that He will guide me further. Your honest, Scott. (Post back soon!)

  8. Julie Demain January 11, 2012 at 3:31 PM #

    Thank you for the extremely interesting program with Dr. Sahtouris. It really grabbed my attention as I was driving, and I immediately went to her website when I arrived home. I hope her books hold my interest in the same way. A great show. A great guest.


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